Interview with H2 TV host and author, Scott Wolter of America Unearthed


I’ve been a follower of Scott Wolter’s research for about ten years. My fascination with his work began with my interest in the Kensington Runestone and my belief that it is a genuine artifact and proof of a Nordic presence in North America before Christopher Columbus. Scott has written two books that deal with his research of the stone, The Kensington Runestone: Compelling New Evidence and The Hooked X. (I have all of Scott’s books, but am the proud owner of two copies of The Hooked X. One of them is autographed.)



His latest book, From Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers: The Mysteries of the Hooked X is also a compelling read.


Scott’s worldview and mine are very different. As a born-again Christian, I don’t believe that Jesus married Mary Magdalene. Scott does. He also believes this view of Mary M. and Jesus is the “holy grail” that the Templars protected and brought with them to North America.

And while I don’t agree with Scott about this particular issue, I do agree with much of the research he exposes on his H2 TV program, America Unearthed, now in its second season.  I was tickled pink to see him have his own show. I almost felt like a proud cousin or something because I’d known for a long time he had a unique view of history that made other people as curious as myself. I’ve been honest with Scott about my beliefs and he has been gracious and generous of his time in answering many of my questions for which I’m grateful.

I’m honored that Scott took time out of his busy schedule to answer even more of my questions for my blog. If you love a good mystery, history and ancient artifacts, I think you’ll find his research as fascinating as I do.


Scott, thanks so much for agreeing to answer some questions for my readers. I know you’re an extremely busy man. How old were you when you fell in love with rocks?

I’ve always been fascinated with rocks, even as a kid.  However, my interest turned to obsession when I was in college and discovered Lake Superior Agates.  That obsession led to any and every spare moment searching for them.  I rode a motorcycle back then which allowed me to get into and out of gravel pits with ease.  Eventually, I wrote my first book (of a total of four) about agates and have assembled a world class collection.  I am still hooked on agates and I’m sure always will be.

I ride my own motorcycle, too. It’s my favorite mode of transportation when I’m “looking for treasure.”


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I’ve enjoyed seeing your family included in some of the episodes of America Unearthed. How involved are they in your research?

Both of my kids enjoy the research and I often run things by my son Grant, who is an engineer and ultra-skeptical.  If something I’m working on passes the “smell test” with him then we’re usually on good ground.  Although, he’s not always right and does accept strong evidence and a good argument.  Janet is my co-researcher and truth be told, is the genius of the family.  She brings calm, reasoned input to the subjects we investigate as well as the feminine perspective that really does provide the needed balance to our research.  She’s a gem!


Scott & Janet

I’ve observed that as a scientist, you tend to only believe those things you can touch and see. Do you have a spiritual side?

I am definitely a pragmatist and in my younger days was proud to call myself an atheist.  However, life has a way of softening the hard edges of a person’s ideas and beliefs.  I used to think everything could be explained logically.  However, I’ve come to realize that some things that happen in life cannot always be explained logically.  The hardest thing for me was learning to accept there are some things that happen in life you cannot explain or fully understand.


Washington D.C. and Franklin, Pennsylvania were laid out by Andrew Ellicott, in your words, in “incredible sacred geometry.” His apprentice, Alexander Ralston, laid out Indianapolis, Indiana. What is the purpose of doing this, do you think? Is there a message, a spiritual power or something they are trying to convey?

Of course, there were scientific, mathematical, and spiritual messages the early surveyors and architects were trying to convey, and still trying to convey.  It’s up to the individual to decide what that message is.

Why do you think the lead artifacts discovered in Tuscon, Arizona were left there?

I’m pretty certain the Tucson Lead Artifacts were made and left as ritual offerings by a Roman-Jewish party from what is now Southern France.  I have more thoughts about this group, but I’m hoping to convey them in a future follow-up episode; we’ll see if that happens…


I can hardly wait! I love the show, DVR it and watch the episodes several times over.

Do I understand correctly that you believe that the parchments supposedly discovered by Abbe Francois Berenger Sauniere are genuine? What makes you think so?

I’m pretty certain he found something that led him to great riches somewhere near Rennes le Chateau.  Some say it was information he used to get money from the Church.  Some say the documents told of the location of ancient hidden gold.  Maybe it was both, but I do think he found parchments with important information.


What drives you to spread the word regarding your belief that Jesus never rose bodily from the tomb and that He married Mary Magdalene?

What drives me to get this story out is because the factual evidence I’ve seen so far says it is the truth.  I also believe the world has been negatively impacted by the financially and spiritually corrupt nature of the Roman Catholic Church.  They convey the wrong message of what Jesus and MM were really teaching; that the individual doesn’t need a human conduit to get to their Creator.  They can do it themselves and this is what threatened the power of the Roman Church so they created a different story that became patriarchal and vilified woman.  Largely due to 1700 years of their spiritual domination it has thrown the world horribly out of balance, most notably by over-population.  I want my descendants to inherit a healthy planet and believe the ship is now beginning to turn around by this truth coming out.  I also think the vast majority of people in the world can handle the truth.

I’d like to discuss this more, and probably will in a future post. I think you already know this is an area where we don’t see eye to eye. However, I’m never one to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and realize we couldn’t possibly agree on all points. I still have many questions and learn a lot from your work.

What tools do you use to organize your research? (Computer programs or other tech tools?)

The tools I use are the internet and books; lots of books.  However, I think people have become too dependent on the net; especially Wiki which is edited by power-tripping, anti-diffusion leaning individuals.  I became so frustrated by the crap that was being added to my Wiki bio page I demanded it be removed entirely.  Now that you’re aware, try and find balanced information on a Wiki page about any of the controversial artifacts and sites we’ve investigated and you’ll see they are all treated with skepticism in spite of conclusive evidence to the contrary in several cases.  My name isn’t even mentioned on the Kensington Rune Stone page and look up Tucson Lead Artifacts, Bat Creek Stone, Spirit Pond rune Stones, Newport Tower, etc.  It’s all nonsense.  Of course, the other tool I use is my body by getting out there to see, feel and test whatever it is I’m studying.    

I agree regarding Wiki. It’s why colleges never allow students to us it as a cited source. However, I also feel your frustration with so-called academics who reject the conclusive evidences that stare them in the face.

What message do you want most to convey to your readers and viewers of your television show?

The biggest message would be for people to not blindly accept everything you read (especially on the web) or told.  Think and investigate for yourself before arriving at a conclusion.  I guarantee you find the answer is rarely what you initially thought or told, and you will also find the “back stories” are often more interesting.  Doing research is also a lot of fun.  I always tell young people to ask questions of their teachers and professors if something doesn’t make sense.  Always be respectful, but speak up and be heard.

I agree about research–it’s my favorite part of writing, and the reason I’ve enjoyed following your work all these years. Congrats on the show!

And again, thanks, Scott, for your fascinating insights and sharing your research with such a generous spirit. That’s something I’ve always appreciated about you. I can’t wait to see more of America Unearthed!

What about you, Dear Reader, do you have any questions for Scott?

Leave them in the comments below!


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Interview with Award-Winning Author, David S. Brody regarding his new release, Powdered Gold


I’m excited and honored to introduce you to David S. Brody and his latest release, Powdered Gold. I’ve written about Brody before, and I read three of his books over Christmas break while recovering from surgery. I’m happy to say Powdered Gold: Templars and the Ark of the Covenant kept me as entertained as his two former books in the series, Cabal of the Westford Knight and Thief on the Cross.


From his website:

“David S. Brody is a Boston Globe bestselling fiction writer. He served as a Director of the New England Antiquities Research Association (NEARA) and is an expert on the subject of pre-Columbian exploration of America. A graduate of Tufts University and Georgetown Law School, he resides in Westford, Massachusetts with his wife, potter and novelist Kimberly Scott, and their two daughters. In his spare time he coaches youth sports and Special Olympics, skis, and plays on adult ice hockey and softball teams.”


I exchanged several of emails with David while reading his books, explaining that I was fascinated with his study of the Templars in North America. I learned tons reading his books. He was very patient with my questions and that impressed me a lot.

Description of Powdered Gold from Amazon’s site:

Cameron Thorne and Amanda Spencer continue their investigation of ancient artifacts which reveal the true, secret history of North America.

Cam and Amanda don’t for a second believe the Ark of the Covenant is hidden in a cave in the Arizona desert. But when a militant survivalist leads them to a radioactive replica of the Ark, filled with a mysterious white powder, they begin to wonder if legends of Templar Knights visiting the American Southwest on a secret mission might be true. What is this strange white powder? And is it the key to understanding the true power of both Moses and the sacred Ark of the Covenant?

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Now for the interview:

[Disclaimer: David S. Brody writes for the secular market and his books may be offensive to some readers of the Christian or Jewish faith. The thing to remember is that these are works of fiction with fictional characters.]

Your characters believe, in your words, that “ancient Jews” and “Christianized Jews” came to Arizona around 800 AD. Do you believe that as well? Why or why not?

My characters find artifacts in Arizona which leads them to this conclusion.  On their face, this is the story the artifacts tell (they contain a narrative, written alternately in Hebrew and Latin, carved into them—the narrative uses various dates circa AD 800).  The artifacts have been analyzed by forensic geologist Scott Wolter, who believes they are authentic.  So it is certainly possible that some group of peoples who spoke Latin and Hebrew found their way to the American southwest many centuries ago.

Karla’s Note: I could not find free use images of these artifacts, but you can see them on David’s website.

I like including dogs in my stories and I noticed that you do, too. Do you have a dog or cat?  

I do have a dog and I grew up with cats.  (SPOILER ALERT:  If I could have one “do-over” in “Cabal of the Westford Knight,” it would be that I don’t let the villains kill the dog!)


One of Karla’s furry editors, Jake.

How did you get the idea to use Survivalists in Powdered Gold?

There was nothing in particular that prompted me to include a survivalist character in the story, other than I think the survivalist community is a fascinating and colorful subculture of our country.

Your books deny any supernatural explanation for miracles in the Bible. Is this your worldview? Do you only believe in those things that you can explain, touch, see?

I’m not sure that’s a fair summary of my books.  In my books, particularly Thief on the Cross my characters explore and debate the tension and seeming contradictions between “faith” versus “reason.”  I do think many of the so-called “miracles” in the Bible can be explained by historical events.


Do you personally believe that Ark of the Covenant is really just a radioactive power source?

The Ark of the Covenant is a fascinating object.  In addition to carrying the Ten Commandments, it knocks down walls, fells enemies, emits electric-like charges, causes facial burns and even gives the Philistines, enemies of the Israelites, hemorrhoids after the Philistines capture the Ark in battle (after suffering for a few months, the Philistines returned the Ark to the Israelites—see 1 Samuel 5 and 6.)  I believe the Ark contained, or itself was, some kind of power source.

Are you a fan of the TV show, Ancient Aliens?

I’ve never watched it.


Karla: “I have to admit I’m surprised Brody hasn’t watched it. I think he’d get a good chuckle.”

Do you believe Moses was a huckster as your characters describe him?

Honestly, I struggled over the use of the word “huckster” in the book since Moses is such a revered figure.  But it is the conclusion the characters in the book would have reached based on the evidence in front of them, so I kept it.  Somehow Moses was able to convince the Israelites to follow him into the desert for 40 years based solely on his claim that he had been instructed by God to do so.  That’s a tough sell, no matter what the circumstances.  Then we start to analyze some of Moses’s behavior—he had the golden calf melted down and the gold somehow dissolved and laced into the water, which he forced the Israelites to drink.  What strange behavior, unless he somehow knew the dissolved gold would serve to make the Israelites more malleable and willing to follow his instructions, like some kind of drug.

I note that I am not the first to wonder about Moses, as Sigmund Freud in 1937 wrote a book entitled “Moses and Monotheism” in which Freud theorized that Moses may have been an Egyptian pharaoh.


What main message are you trying to convey in this book?

I think the main thing I would like readers to take away from my novels is an understanding that there is a lot of evidence that explorers came to North America before Columbus.  If so, what were their motivations, why were they here?  I believe that religion, not surprisingly, often was a key motivating factor.


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Do you have any questions for Brody? Leave your comments and questions below!

The Hooked X


As I wrote in a previous post, I was a fan of Scott Woltor’s research long before his new TV show, America Unearthed. I’ve been fascinated with ancient North American artifacts for years.

Woltor’s research is controversial. And as a born again Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, I certainly don’t agree with all of his conclusions. Woltor doesn’t believe in the Jesus Christ I do. But does that mean I throw all of his expertise out the window? Of course not. When Daniel was in Babylon he studied academics of the Babylonian courts. Moses was educated in all the ways of the Egyptians. Likewise, I keep my eyes and ears open to experts while weighing their knowledge with the Word of God.


Regarding the Hooked X, Woltor believes it’s a symbol of the divine (Jesus) marrying Mary Magdeline and bearing a daughter. I will argue my reasons for not believing this in a future post. For now, let’s explore this intriguing Hooked X.

This significant symbol was even used by Columbus in his signature:



Why would Columbus use a hooked X in his signature?

It’s compelling that Woltor points out that the crosses on Columbus’s ships’ sails were Templar crosses.


Santa María ship model displayed in Fort San Cristóbal, San Juan, Puerto Rico.

The Templars are believed to be the ones who carved the hooked X into the Kensington Rune Stone.


Woltor theorizes that the Templars accompanied by Cistercian monks brought the Holy Grail, perhaps even the Ark of the Covenant, to the United States. Just exactly what that Holy Grail was is debated. Was it gold? Some other type of treasure? A secret knowledge? The supposed descendants of Jesus Christ? Were they looking to start a New Jerusalem here?  If we don’t believe that Jesus had a daughter (and I don’t) is it true the Templars believed this? So many delectable questions!

Here’s a short lecture from Scott Woltor from four years ago:

 Because ancient symbolism denoted gender by triangles, Wolter explains in other lectures that an upwards facing triangle stands for the male “aspect of the universe” and a downwards facing triangle the female aspect. Since the letter X depicts both, the top half is the feminine half and the smaller one–the hook–denotes a daughter. Therefore he believes that the Hooked X is what the Templars saw as a “New Trinity:” Father, Mother, Daughter–Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and Sarah, the daughter.


If you know much about biblical history, you’ll understand that this theory isn’t new. The Gnostics also believed this and believe it today.

For me, the Hooked X is a reminder that we need to be knowledgeable enough in the Word of God and sound enough in our doctrine to be able to argue intellectually what it is we believe and why. I am not afraid of such doctrines nor threatened by them because I am secure in my belief and knowledge.


Tweet this: I keep my eyes and ears open to experts while weighing their knowledge with the Word of God.


What say you? Does it offend you that I study the Hooked X and its implications? As a Christian should I stay away from such mysteries? Or should Christians be able to discern sound doctrine and be able to argue effectively against false teachings?


Ancient American secrets

At the risk of being labeled crazy, I confess that I believe that Europeans explored North America and even settled here long before Columbus. This fascination I have with ancient America has led me to work on researching for one of my works in progress, Secret Stones.

Indiana Jones caught my imagination as a young adult I’ve been hooked on history and its mysteries ever since. (I don’t know exactly how and when I got fascinated with Bigfoot, but I love me some Sasquatch, too.)


(I probably shouldn’t have said anything about Sasquatch. There goes my credibility…)

I was studying rune stones in North America long before I learned about Scott Wolter and his work on the Kensington Rune Stone. 


I became a stealth Scott Wolter fan, buying everything he’s written, little knowing that he’d one day get his own show, America Unearthed.

Funny how God guides a person’s steps. I’m on a YahooGroup email list and met an author named David Brody. He’s written three (very secular) books on the very subjects I’ve been researching for my Secret Stones project. I’ll be reviewing these books and discussing them here as soon as I’ve finished all three. But come to find out, he and Scott Wolter are good friends.

BrodyBooksMaybe the crypto-community is small and that’s just a small coincidence. But I find it interesting for reasons I will reveal later as my Secret Stones research continues.

Vikings, Templars, Egyptians OH MY! Love this stuff.

I write biographies for middle grades, and it’s frustrating that my research can’t always be included in my work because it’s not substantiated by so-called experts. For example, while writing about Leif Ericsson, I’d  concluded that L’Anse aux Meadows couldn’t possibly be the true Vinland because for one reason, there were no grapes there. I truly believed they’d traveled further south.


Skálholt-map made by the Icelandic teacher Sigurd Stefansson in the year 1570

Come to find out, Scott Wolter and David Brody believe the same. In fact, there’s a stone in the ocean at Martha’s Vineyard’s Noman’s Island (get it? vineyard? Vinland?) that weighs about four tons and is the size of an antique desk. Supposedly it has an inscription of Leif Ericsson’s name and a date or number. The only problem is that the island was previously owned by the U.S. Navy who used it for bombing practice. Unexploded bombs scatter the shores.

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Tweet this: So many delectable finds! So many obstacles to revealing the truth!

What do you think? Did Columbus discover North America? Or do you think it’s possible ancient Europeans or other cultures reached her shores before he did?